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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sandpiper View Post
    6 Soft sectionals in front make it harder or impossible for back runners to win, and jockeys in general do not use optimal tactics* to prevent soft leads.

    Pro track bias

    7 The inside has more traffic therefore more wear and tear. Less grass cover means faster drying

    * imo jockeys optimally would take turns to pressure easy leaders to the more likely detriment of their own runner but collective benefit of the say 8 runners in behind in that race. Of course that is a hard sell to connections of that single race so does not happen.


    My working hypothesis is that inside bias only occurs when (7) is in play from recent showers or irrigation and the rail is true. At other times the inside is still the place to be purely from a race mechanics perspective, is also the place that superior runners are likely to end up, and those that do end up there get a boost from collectively poor riding decisions.
    No 6 should be at the top of the list, its exactly the reson why I do extrememly well betting on NZ Racing, tempo of NZ racing vitally important to understand.
    No 7 is very dependant on where the rail has been at previous starts and how much water has been applied, however unlike another poster on another forum it is NOT something you can consider as its unquantifiable as to the likely impact it will have without having an imitmate knowledge of the track, ie the Track Manager. For punters it is nothing more than guess work.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by mardigras View Post

      Although to be fair, a jockey that pressures the leader when the current pace doesn't suit their own mount (as in too slow), doesn't necessarily mean it's a detriment to their own runner. Why not just run along at the pace best suited to the horse you're riding. If it is faster than the leader, you don't have to lead, you just have to run to the pace you want. If they speed up, fine. But your horse is running at the pace supposedly best suited to it running the race optimally.
      Yes for sure. There are constraints around the usefulness of cover and the energy needed to overtake tho particularly on tracks without good camber.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sandpiper View Post

        Yes for sure. There are constraints around the usefulness of cover and the energy needed to overtake tho particularly on tracks without good camber.
        Usefulness of cover versus the lack of usefulness of not being in open space. I'd expect a lot of energy is consumed by racing with cover at a speed that is too slow for you.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Hesi View Post
          It is possible though that the nature of the track surface makes it difficult for horses in the straight to make up ground on those that have put a break on the field. Ever tried racing along a loose sandy beach and make up ground on someone who is several meters ahead of you
          Often ....................No problem if I were on the faster and/or fitter horse, although that's not exactly how we would normally plan to ride gallops.
          Last edited by curious; 15-02-2019, 03:51 PM.

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          • #20
            With regard to riding instructions, often it is left to the jockey. Take this example from Australia. Top ride guided by experience and giving the horse every chance by running at a pace suited to win.

            Judge Judi: Usually settles off the pace. Last 2 starts, leads.

            17 Jan 2019 - Stewards Advice Post Race: When questioned in relation to racing further forward, rider J Collett explained he was under no specific instructions other than to have the mare where comfortable and anticipated racing in an on pace position. He said after beginning well and after travelling a short distance, when the anticipated leader Just Two Vees did not take up the lead, he then allowed his mount to stride forward and assume the lead where the mare travelled well throughout.

            Video Comment: Fast into stride, led by 1.75L on settling, opened up 3L at 1200m, came back to field 600m, led by 1.5L on the turn, kept responding to pressure, found another kick 150m, hit the line strongly, scored well to win. Never seriously challenged.

            01 Feb. 2019, did the same. Video Comment: Jumped on terms and ridden positively, led by 1L on settling, led by 1/2L on the turn, leader straightening being urged on, fought back when joined 200m and was bravely holding off challenger when run down by swooper near the 25m. Vet-Lost plate.

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            • #21
              Hang Man in Australia. Jockey can't use best judgement because of trainer's demand. 23 Jan 2019 - Stewards Advice Post Race When questioned, apprentice Jack Martin stated that he was instructed to ride his mount at the rear of the field and with the lack of speed in the race, this did not suit the gelding and was a disadvantage. Trainer Mike Moroney confirmed the instructions.

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              • #22
                No irrigation or recent rainfall at Trentham, ideal scenario for the track to play fair from rail to rail

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Sandpiper View Post
                  No irrigation or recent rainfall at Trentham, ideal scenario for the track to play fair from rail to rail
                  What a bugger. The fastest horse start to finish likely to win most of the races blinkers on or not?

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